The title of the painting is Madonna
/ Magdalene . The conversation
that I intended with this piece was about multiple issues; feminism,
religion, art history, and how the meaning of symbols changes with
cultural change. And because a lot of the people who where looking
at it then were thinking about similar topics in context, I found
that folks generally understood my intent.
In the
almost two decades it has been hanging in the restaurant, the
conversation about it has changed.
Much
more often than not, viewers tell me that they think the two women
are a lesbian couple, even after they know the title. While that
was never the intent, I can see why viewers often think that. Here,
and in this decade, the symbols that viewers see in this painting
bring up uncomfortable political and social issues. We bring
elements of who we are, right now
to our interpretation of all kinds of images.
And
that applies to what we see in the mirror and in fashion magazines.
Clothing design speaks to each of us, and we interpret what we see in
personalized ways. Style, cut, color, fabric texture; all of these
elements have meaning to us, and in simple and complex ways, each
item in our wardrobes are an element of the vocabulary we use when
dressing.
So,
when we dress and go out into the world, we begin a potential
conversation with everyone we meet.
No
pressure. None at all. Don't worry about it.
This
is one of the things I think about when I look in my closet or find
something I really like at TJ Maxx. And it's one of the reasons why
I care about fashion (what there is to use to make up vocabulary) and style
(what I say with that vocabulary.)
If you
love vintage, what does that say about you? If you don't wear
vintage, but wear lots of modern interpretations of retro styles,
does that say something different? What about wearing only black or
neutrals or bright color? Because there is a sudden trend to mixing
prints, are you now a follower or a leader? If you show a lot of
cleavage or never show any cleavage, what are you saying? And if you
never consider questions like these, does it matter?
None
of this may matter to you at all. There's no right or wrong answers
to these questions. But what you can count on is that you are saying
something when you dress, and that some people who see you are
listening.
*******
Some
days ago, I was cruising my favorite blogs and in checking in on the
lovely Reva at Reva's Rags 2 Roses, I saw that we'd just bought
identical pants for a very good price at JCP. Stop by HERE to see
how Reva wore them ... I love what she did with them! I'd already
made a photo of myself in them some days before, and you can see the
difference in what we both had to say. Same vocabulary, different
conversations. Isn't that cool?
*******
For more conversations, I'm heading over to the chatty Patti for her Visible Monday gab fest. Lots to talk about ... join us!
Thank you for stopping by! Comments are always wonderful, so feel free to tell me what you're thinking. I read them all, and try to answer each one ASAP!
I like to think I'm a good listener (at least to some degree), and today you seem to be telling me that you're a flower in full bloom ready to take on the world and spread sunshine, laughter, and joy to all of us. Thank you dear friend for speaking to us. Love this post and the language of ensembles.
ReplyDeleteSweet thoughts, Trina. You bring up an excellent point here ... I'm glad you got such a positive message, but my conscious message was that it's going to be hot here soon, and I'm trying to find clothes I can actually stand to wear! I'm so glad you heard something higher and more positive ... it's the viewer that brings the meaning. Thank you.
DeleteAs always, a pleasure to hear from you.
Yay, love the way you styled them,too!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks, I'm flattered ;)
Hugs
Reva
I'm loving your bloggy a lot, Reva! And so glad you got Google to play nice with your comments.
DeleteHave a great week!
Jan, I love your painting and to me it does evoke a conversation and relationship but not a sexual one, rather two aspects of femininity. It's just beautiful and you're beyond talented!
ReplyDeleteI also love how unafraid you are of colors and patterns. Your pants are so bright and cheerful - happy pants - and they suit your personality ;-)
Spashionista (Alicia)
Yes! Remarks on aspects of femininity were part of original impetus. Again, the viewer brings the meaning ultimately.
DeleteYup ... must be my happy pants. I'm suddenly into prints on the bottom half, but the jury is still out whether it's a good thing or not! Stay tuned, 'cause I'm planning to make a fool of myself in at least two more happy pants posts! As I was "painting" this pair, I noticed that almost all my color favorites are secondary and tertiary! Not many primaries. Bright color is a bit of a departure for me prior to the last year or so, as I've always worn a lot of dark neutrals. Sometimes I'm concerned I put out a bit of a giddy vibe.
Giddy? What, me? Never.
Arrgh.
Have a groovy week, and thanks for your very kind words.
I really like this painting, Jan. Thanks for sharing it and your story with us. (: Love those pants!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Ava. I think Reva and I both are enjoying what Alicia called our "happy pants." So glad you liked my old painting. It's held up pretty well in the restaurant for almost two decades!
DeleteIt's so cool to see how someone else interprets and wears the same item of clothing as yourself. It is true that you both communicate something different while wearing the same piece.
ReplyDeleteWe are definately speaking to people through our choices in clothing and how we present ourselves. We need to remember that people only take 7 seconds to form an opinion of us.
We only get one chance at a first impression.
I'm kind of obsessed about not wanting to be forgotten so I'm always trying to do or wear something just a little bit different so that I am hopefully more memorable. As artists we are constantly marketing ourselves and not just our work.
I could have a long extended talk over a good bottle of wine about this very topic : )
bisous
Suzanne
One of my big issues while writing this post was just editing. So much to say on the subject.
DeleteSince much of your art is wearable, you are, in a sense, marketing through your own modeling. One of the things I've always liked about making images is that I get to stand behind my work ... way behind. Like not being seen at all. Dancers, singers, actors and performance artists can't do that.
One of the most fun things I've done is watching passers-by commenting on my work at an outdoor show. I sat on a balcony above and could hear what they said. Eye-opening!
But these little avatar-styley-me drawings really challenge this notion of hiding behind work. It puts a part of me out there that I'm not completely confident about showing.
Glad you found something to interest you here, Suzanne. I always look forward to what you are up to!
Great questions, all, and I am still mulling them over...
ReplyDeleteIt's hard, yet sometimes a blast, to break out of our fashion ruts and try something new and different...and that's probaly true about ther aspects of our lives, as well. Very thought provoking post...and I, too, thought that the painting might be of a lesbian couple...just a sign of our times, I think...but I wish it wasn't a political issue at all!
It's heavily political here, and I'm appalled at how angry my little painting makes some folks. But you are right. I think these reactions are a sign of the times, too, and perhaps we need to go though it before we can get over it.
DeleteThanks for reading thoughtfully, and for your own
writing as well.
What an interesting topic and how views change with the times. So you paint, draw, read, own a restaurant and a fashionista? Girl what don't you do? I like how you styled these pants - very classy! I haven't bought a pair of floral pants - they just don't feel right no me.
ReplyDeleteAlice
www.happinessatmidlife.com
Actually none of it makes much cash, and most of what I love to do makes none! Choices, there are always choices.
DeleteA while back, when floral pants began to be hot, I thought I never would, either. I'm actually having some fun now, as they don't really make me look as fat as I thought they would. They sure do distract from too much of a rack ... which I always want to do!
First of all jan, you are a incredible painter of people. Love seeing your work and this painting is wonderful and intriguing. For all the reasons you have so beautifully stated, I do find blogging so interesting. It's the way two separate women in different locations wear the same pant but in a different manner. Fashion media coverage seems to herd us all to one conclusion...... these shoes are right, that length of skirt is wrong. I adore, especially in the older gals, the vast variety of styles. Real style is the picking and choosing of the trends and our response as an individual to mix it up.
ReplyDeleteblue hue wonderland
Thanks, Ann. I don't make images of much that doesn't have a figure in it, so I'm glad you like what I do. Actually, I haven't painted in years, and this new medium is what prompts me now. Like you, I'm glad to see very experienced women showing what they've learned, about the world around them, and themselves as art!
DeleteI love the fact that you paint too!! Also, what kind of restaurant? So many creative outlets, plus you write/blog and create outfits!! First and foremost for me though, is that you THINK!! And make me think. Love it. I'm actually running to work as I type this, so I don't have the time to type all the thoughts that started to form when I read this post, but I wholeheartedly agree that we do talk through our clothes. More later, and thank you!!
ReplyDeleteThe restaurant is actually a pub that serves three different menus (lunch, dinner and Sunday brunch.) I'd call it a gastro-pub, but that implies a greater sophistication of menu than we can claim. Dan's not a chef, just a good cook who makes kick-butt sauces and is great with soups and meats. And salad dressings ... we keep everything as fresh as we can, here, and simple.
DeleteThanks so much for thoughtfully reading my thinking-out-loud. I love what you have to say, in writing and through your approach to style. I'm such a fan!
Wow. Lady, didn't know you've been this talented for SO long. The painting- my first glance down was after I read 1980s and I already guessed the context was different- thought to myself "now they look like a couple." And you are SO right- we bring ourselves and our times to the table when it comes to interpret- and that is as seamless a seque into the language of dressing. Oh boy, we could talk for hours about that, couldn't we.
ReplyDeletePS: I want to eat in your restaurant.
If you ever find your way here, dinner is SO on me. Would love to entertain you.
DeleteThis is an interesting journey with all of you, all of us figuring out why we're doing what we do, and learning to do it better. You are a force of nature, Bella, and if we speak through our clothing, you're a poet!
So glad you caught up with me!
Thanks so much for dropping a line. Much appreciated.
Hi there-a really intuitive and thought provoking post I enjoyed reading this!! Love how you've styled those trousers, they're lovely!! xx
ReplyDeleteThank you, Sharon. I was thinking about your recent trenchcoat acquisition when i wrote some of this. Romance, mystery, practicality ... that little item has it all! I appreciate your dropping a line. I'm a fan.
Delete"when we dress and go out into the world, we begin a potential conversation with everyone we meet." -- so true and this is why it annoys me when people say fashion is trivial. It sends a message, like it or not!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Wendy. Frankly, and IMHO, it's men who usually say fashion is trivial, or women who care too much what men think!
DeleteI appreciate you dropping by. I'm a fan of yours, and should speak up more often at your place!
Wow. Much to think about here. As I am a bit of a word-nerd, I was really drawn to your comparison of fashion and style to language. And your discussion of how we interpret the visuals around us is going to have me viewing the world differently for some time.
ReplyDeleteYour blog is one of my favorite finds this year. And I so love your taste in Sci-Fi and Fan television. The Doctor rules.
DeleteThanks for dropping by ... I aim to entertain.
J--
ReplyDeleteThought provoking as always my dear. I'm so glad you decided to become a blogger. Now I can be forced to think about things other than just how my outfit looks in a mirror.
Love your conversation. ;o)
XO,
Alyssa
One of these days, I'm going to learn to sit down and shut up. But probably not soon. Thanks so much, Alyssa, 'cause I love the inspiration I get from you with every post. Love your taste, kid. So glad you came by for a visit.
DeleteYou are insanely talented. How could one person be so multi-gifted? I seriously feel like I'm not smart enough to comment on your posts sometimes.
ReplyDeleteHmm, this post was thought provoking. I was asked for the first time to define my personal style in three words last week. It was a real struggle. My style is not thought about, it's intuitive and all about feelings.
Ye gads, Alison. You are clearly smart enough to comment on anything I could think of to write. I'm just slaunch-wise in the cranium. So glad no one asked me to use just three words for anything! Speech is free, so I feel obliged to use up every word I can think of. It's the American way!
DeleteIntuitive is better, I think ... that must be there to make beauty.
Thanks so much for saying hello. I'm proud I know you.
Your blog is so inspirational Jan! I can see why your costumers often comment this painting, It is indeed more than a beautiful painting. The paining makes your curious, like why does Da Vinci's Mona Lisa smile? I want to know in which important conversations we interrupted these two women. Thanks for sharing it with us - if it would not be so late in the night I would have taken out my oil painting right now.
ReplyDeleteFor sure, I am thinking about what kind of message I want to send with my clothes almost daily, especially when I am in new contexts. When I am in the work place where people know my abilities (I more than one work place), I don't care very much about what kind of signals I send with my clothes, although I think I implicitly send signals that I am comfortable with myself and my abilities, and that I don't need my clothes to send some signals. The opposite is true when I enter new contexts. I know, I get deep late in the night.
You got it ... we interrupted their conversation. As the Madonna and the Magdalene, they surely talked about the Men in their lives!
DeleteI think what I admire about your style is that it seem conscious. Not self-conscious ... that's different. I like it that you think things through.
Thanks for staying up late to comment! I appreciate it.
Such a great post! Your talent is astounding and your thoughts about style and communication are thought provoking. I know this to be true, but when I put an outfit together as self expression, I don't usually think about what I'm saying to the world. As I get older, I think about it less and just express.
ReplyDeleteYour floral pants look great with heels, and I like Reva's message as well!
I'm always glad to hear and see what you have to say, Judith! And speak you do ... emotional abstractions are easier to do well after you have some life under the belt, I think. That you don't think much about it speaks to the extreme fluency you have with fashion ... your considerable style experience makes it second nature. You're a sartorial native-speaker!
DeleteHave a great, heart-happy week!
Really good post, and the comments, too. I tend to skim initially, but I'm going to have to go back and reread everything.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting the way we interpret the painting based on current norms. In the '80s the business woman suggested feminism because of her severe and masculine clothes, and now that same style suggests lesbianism. Aside from the cliches, I think there's a lot of positive movement in our thinking because now business women are likely to wear a much wider variety of clothing styles, from masculine to feminine, than in the '80s when they felt they couldn't look feminine. Also, we're much more accepting of same sex couples, so we read this as a couple (their postures do suggest a certain intimacy).
Now I have to go see Reva!
Yup, to all of that.
DeleteA lot of those changes you mention have been hard won, and are still slow in coming. One of the things I find odd and most annoying down here is that some women are suddenly uncomfortable dining out with the girls, especially with just one woman friend, because they are afraid of being mistaken for lesbians. When I first heard someone say that, I was floored. And instead of that bias being less prevalent rather than more with the national discussion, suddenly homosexuality is on the rural radar ... and NOW they get antsy. Too odd.
I do get some great, thoughtful comments, huh? They come from great thoughtful commenters ... like you!
Thanks so much for adding to the conversation.
Thanks for an interesting post! I've been always interested why people chose this or that garment of clothes to wear. We all say something about ourselves when we do it. So many times I see something on someone and I like it very much on them but I can't imagine Me wearing that. Because I am different and I would not feel comfortable or myself in that. So clothes do reflect our personalities and our moods.
ReplyDeleteLove your bright-printed pants. They create a positive mood.
Yes, me too. I've learned I can't easily wear lots of specific styles, but can admire those styles on others. Every fashion magazine I see has pages and pages of those items. But I like to see whatever narrative is there to read. It's the story I like.
DeleteThanks so much for reading and your comments.
I'm really enjoying your blog as well!
Wow, great work.. I think I can understand the message behind it. It is amazing how talents like yours managed to reach out and speak their mind through colors and images.. visiting from Visible Monday.. sorry it took me a while to visit everyone involved :) drop by mine when you can
ReplyDeleteGREETINGS FROM DUBAI
MRS JACK OF ALL TRADES
http://mrsjackofalltradesdaily.blogspot.ae/
Happy to see you, Mrs. C, and glad you enjoyed the post. Thanks for your kind words. Also nice of you to reply to everyone.
DeleteIt's appreciated.
Have a great week, and I wish you a long spring and a cool summer!
You are so a talented painter! I love your painting and it symbolises for me two very good old friends, understanding each other without saying any words, sharing a secret for many years. I love the warm, intimate mood of the picture and can imagine that it mirrors the atmosphere of your restaurant.
ReplyDeleteYou pants are gorgeous, you inspired me, I need some floral jeans for summer!
You got it quite right, Sabine ... two very old friends, and old secrets. Thanks for noticing!
DeleteBe careful with floral pants. It's hard to have just one pair! Once you see how well they work, you'll want more!
So glad to see you stop by, and thank you so much for all the kind words.
First of all, your painting is fantastic. So glad you shared it with us AND that it's been hanging up in your restaurant. Very cool. Yeah, I've pretty much always wanted to give off an edgy, off the beaten path look since I started dressing myself. And you are too groovy in those floral pants, no matter what you pair with them. They can take it.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you like my old work, Pao. I don't have but a few pieces left, and I'm fond of them.
DeleteI know what you mean about wanting a little edge. When I began to be able to establish my own style, I just wanted to look *together* so the world would not know what a dork I am/was. Then I wanted a little edge (less than I wear now) to show the world I wasn't a complete duffas. Still dorky, still a duffas, but don't really mind so much now. Now, I just want to look a little taller! Ha!
Have a great weekend, kid.
And thanks for stopping by.
I am so pleased that you have shared yet more of your art with us. You have such enormous talent Jan! I felt a bit of an intruder when viewing this painting initially. Two dear friends having an intimate, non-romantic conversation. And two women feeling somehow vulnerable. Beautiful. I've never been brave enough to participate in an art show. Critique is inevitable at art shows,and I'm not sure I'm strong enough to hear the comments.
ReplyDeleteI'm happy you are on the printed pant train...well at least, giving it a try. Love that teal colour on you! A Lot!
I have this fantasy that all of us descend on your little gastro-pub and eat, and laugh, and drink, and talk all night long. Heaven!
Sue xo
(In the spirit of full disclosure: I didn't pay Sue for this extravagant praise.) So, thank you so for going so kindly overboard in liking my stuff! I'll try to remember to post a pic of this in its natural environment. I don't like showing much, either (lots of effort and expense) but I like a good critique at the right time ... when it's thoughtful and timely, and with solutions offered it's one way to solve problems. 20 plus years after it's done? Way to late to do me any good, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
DeleteThe conversation interrupted is a central theme ... the archetypes these women represent have been paired for centuries. It's easy to imagine a long intimate conversation between them. What they're saying emerges from the perspective of the viewer. Or so I imagine.
On the printed pant train? OH, YEAH! More soon, different looks. Part of the attraction is that they don't look as bad on me as I thought! That is less than a positive reason for my obsession, but the heart wants what the eye likes, sometimes.
What a great fantasy ... I can see you all at the tables. Not much else to do here, I fear. But if anyone is drifting by, we're here and would love to see you. It would be the most fun I've had there, I can tell you.! (Chicken or Salmon Tarragon this weekend. Basmati rice and red bells? Great with crab bisque.)
Glad you had a great little vacation in one of my favorite place in the known universe. Someday, maybe!
Have a great weekend, gorgeous. Can't wait to see your next ensemble or creation!
Very thoughtful post, thank you for sharing!!!
ReplyDeleteThe painting is very beautiful too.
Hugs xx
I'm glad you enjoyed both the post and the painting.
DeleteAnd thank you for stopping by.
'Preciate it!
What a wonderful painting, Jan. I love that it is a part of your history, and that you have noted the responses to it over the years, and how they have changed. Of course we bring ourselves - and our times - to our interpretation of art, we can't view it in a vacuum. I see 2 very different women who are nevertheless very close and challenging us with their direct gaze. We have interrupted their discussion, and they want to know what we want with them!
ReplyDeleteYes, our clothes speak to others, though there are likely to be varying interpretations of what we are saying, also based on the observer's subjective thoughts and feelings. It's a complex relationship women have with their clothes, and with each other (I don't think men invest as much in either clothes or their thoughts about them - I know, I'm generalising, and your man Dan might disagree!)
The floral trousers are fabulous. I am not a fan of trousers on me, but I'd like some with a print... Hmm, something to consider! I like that you make me think about stuff. Paintings and pants! xxxx
Almost missed this completely!
ReplyDeleteThe varying interpretation is one of my points (if you carry the conversation to it's logical conclusion.) Most of what we wear reads in highly individualized ways, regardless of how many women are wearing a specific color, trend, style, era. It's the viewer that makes the decision. We can only say what we have to say with the understanding that viewers may or may not get it the way we intended.
Yadayadayada ... I'm glad you like the wonky stuff.
You'd look great in florals, should be right up your garden-like alley!
Well, late to THIS conversation, but some juicy food for thought!
ReplyDeleteAlso, interesting how our JCP garments' conversation widens and gets more interesting! (Still working out what to wear with the fabulous shirt).
Better late than never, Anne. Thanks for stopping by. JCP is a lot on my radar these days, and I am alternately pissed off and seriously impressed. Hope they make it through this reorganization with some kind of skin left!
ReplyDeleteHave fun!
J